Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby talldarkmystere » Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:06 am

greydragon wrote:Sorry for not responding sooner.

Paypal right now does not go toward the overall Kickstarter goal. - (One reason we really haven't been pushing paypal)

However, once we get the 1.1 goal met, both PayPal and any extra Kickstarter money goes toward the stretch goals.

Once this Kickstarter is finished and we have raised our goal, we will keep Paypal open a bit longer. (I don't know how long) This is for anyone who hears about at the last minute and still wants to get in on the action.

If, and I really hope this doesn't happen, we do not get our base level of funding on Kickstarter, the project goes on a backburner and all Paypal funding is returned to the backers.

Hope that helps.

Ryan


As I said before, I don't want my money back. If anything, I want to give Cyan MORE of my money! The point is that I wanted to make sure that the paypal contributions counted toward meeting the kickstarter goal, so that Cyan would GET the money.
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby belford » Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:54 am

The point is that I wanted to make sure that the paypal contributions counted toward meeting the kickstarter goal


There is no way to do this under Kickstarter's rules.
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby liliflur » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:04 pm

Hi Ryan,

Why would you stop taking in money by Paypal a 'bit' after KS is done. Many of us are on a budget, but would gladly send more money over time as we are able. The longer you take Paypal payments, the more stretch goals can be realized. At what time in the production of Obduction do you really need to stop taking in money? Something to consider. :)

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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby Shorahmin » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:49 pm

I just have to get this of my chest. I'm sitting here watching the KS number march inexorably toward one million dollars. Confidence is high that we'll zoom right past base funding and past the first stretch goal. Meanwhile, this and other threads are replete with promises to keep on giving long after these goals are met. And meanwhile number two, there are shards all around running URU, Myst in various reincarnations continues to be a living growing thing that people still want, and other games and projects continue as well.

This all says just a few things. Cyan's work is fabulous. Cyan fans are absolutely rock solid. And to the point; the world would be a bit dimmer if we all together hadn't made it through those near-death experiences. This is a very good moment to be here. Thanks all.

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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby Ainia » Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:31 pm

liliflur wrote:Hi Ryan,

Why would you stop taking in money by Paypal a 'bit' after KS is done. Many of us are on a budget, but would gladly send more money over time as we are able. The longer you take Paypal payments, the more stretch goals can be realized. At what time in the production of Obduction do you really need to stop taking in money? Something to consider. :)

Lili

What she said.

After the Double Disc tier was rolled out, I started looking at ways to bump up my pledge to that level. However, amazon does *not* allow one to use mutiple payment sources for a Kickstarter pledge ( :evil: ), so unless I want to donate as two separate individuals (and so lose out on the Double Disc), I cannot make up the difference during the Kickstarter campaign itself.

If there was a way to add Paypal funds some time after the KS is over, under my KS name (i.e. get credit for it), then that would be a compromise I could live with (even though it wouldn't contribute to making the base KS goal).
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby janaba1 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:21 am

greydragon wrote:... However, once we get the 1.1 goal met, both PayPal and any extra Kickstarter money goes toward the stretch goals. Once this Kickstarter is finished and we have raised our goal, we will keep Paypal open a bit longer. (I don't know how long) This is for anyone who hears about at the last minute and still wants to get in on the action.

I'd say, yes of course, there must remain a way for fans to donate over the creation period of at least two years ... There are many rewards to be created/provided and delivered, there are many persons and even families and homes to be nourished and maintained (as for the homes, cars, computers etc.) sufficiently and not to forget an awesome game to be created and most probably continuously enhanced and improved ... and for that all 1.1 million isn't that much, really ... :mrgreen:

greydragon wrote:If, and I really hope this doesn't happen, we do not get our base level of funding on Kickstarter, the project goes on a backburner and all Paypal funding is returned to the backers.
Hope that helps.
Ryan

This comment I don't understand at all ... I wondered about this some time ago already and the general fear in case that the goal wouldn't be reached ... I mean, as talldarkmystere indicated already and I believe this applies to many if not all backers, who didn't want to withdraw their pledges or even get their money back, means in the worst case scenario, where I refrain from putting any energy/thought into, wouldn't it be nevertheless possible to pay for the already submitted pledges through other means of payment beyond Kickstarter ? ... If not, is that sth about taxes or other governmental regulations and commitments for businesses etc.? ... Yeah, just asking, though not for one moment will I believe in such a scenario ... :D

I'd like to add, even maybe 'only' 950.000 or 1.000.000 would be quite a cool amount to start with, not so? (this is the argument to the backburner idea lol) ... 8-)
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby belford » Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:59 am

in the worst case scenario, where I refrain from putting any energy/thought into, wouldn't it be nevertheless possible to pay for the already submitted pledges through other means of payment beyond Kickstarter ?


If we wind up in that situation, Cyan might decide to put up a new donation page, and say "Donate here to support Cyan as a company". (Separate from the MOUL donation bucket which is earmarked for MOUL support.) However, that decision would happen after the 16th.

I'd say, yes of course, there must remain a way for fans to donate over the creation period of at least two years


Maybe, maybe not.

Let me use myself as an example. I ran a Kickstarter in 2010. I'm still working on the project. (Sigh.) I am *not* accepting further donations for the project, even from fans. There are a bunch of reasons for this:

- I don't want to change my budget for backer rewards.
- I don't want to change the deal for the original backers, who were promised "rewards available only through the original Kickstarter".
- I don't want the hassle of managing donations through Paypal.
- I am not comfortable accepting more money for a project which is already late. I've got enough obligations piled up already.

I am not Cyan and they're going to make their own decision on this. The point is: accepting money always has costs. Maybe in planning, or accounting, or dealing with a financial company (Paypal can be a monster), or in moral obligation. Even if you think you're making a donation with no strings attached.

So don't say "Cyan must" do something.
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby janaba1 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:55 am

Hey, haha, I don't say Cyan must do something or just anything, this is not for me, it is their business and life not mine lol ... :P

I just considered them smart and open-minded enough to not put an ambitious and great project, which has already brought in about a million dollars, to put it on the backburner for no reason, and that's what I was and am asking for, more as an affirmation resp. for real facts (regulations or tax stuff etc. beyond their sphere of influence) as mentioned above, which would put them in a situation where they had to think and act differently, but maybe in no way necessarily discard or put aside the whole 'thing' ... I mean, with about a million dollars in one's pockets one could even afford to hire a specialist for just the accounting stuff, in case one would like to keep oneself away from that hassle lol ... Yeah, just sayin' ... :D
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby belford » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:20 pm

Well, what scenario are you talking about?

If the KS donations don't reach the goal(*), Cyan won't have a million dollars in their pocket. They'll have zero from Kickstarter, plus whatever came in through Paypal -- I think that's a few thousand dollars?

(* At this point I'm pretty sure the donations *will* reach the goal. But "if".)
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby talldarkmystere » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:20 am

Shorahmin wrote:I just have to get this of my chest. I'm sitting here watching the KS number march inexorably toward one million dollars. Confidence is high that we'll zoom right past base funding and past the first stretch goal. Meanwhile, this and other threads are replete with promises to keep on giving long after these goals are met. And meanwhile number two, there are shards all around running URU, Myst in various reincarnations continues to be a living growing thing that people still want, and other games and projects continue as well.

This all says just a few things. Cyan's work is fabulous. Cyan fans are absolutely rock solid. And to the point; the world would be a bit dimmer if we all together hadn't made it through those near-death experiences. This is a very good moment to be here. Thanks all.

Shor



Good point. I popped into the Cavern last night, and ended up setting up a monthly donation to support CavCon. Can't forget our uh, roots.
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby Acorn1 » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:12 am

talldarkmystere wrote:
Good point. I popped into the Cavern last night, and ended up setting up a monthly donation to support CavCon. Can't forget our uh, roots.


That's brilliant news, talldarkmystere! :D
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby Shorahmin » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:21 pm

I don't have a scheduled payment to the CavCon Meter but do it periodically. All the same. Yes, let's all remember our roots.
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby tommyap » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:23 am

I would very much like to back Obduction , but am unable to do so.
I am having the same problem with the Kickstarter, that i have with Paypal.
So far i have been unable to find a way to either donate to MOULA or back Obduction without ending up having to select a creditcard.
I DO NOT HAVE A CREDITCARD
In theory i should be able to use IDEAL.
In theory.
Please help.
I so want that box.
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby Tai'lahr » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:35 am

tommyap, the only thing you need to have a PayPal account is a bank account to tie it to.
How PayPal Works
And, most banks have Debit Cards which work the same way as Credit Cards now, so you could use a Debit Card for the Amazon payment through the Kickstarter campaign.

Shorahmin wrote:I don't have a scheduled payment to the CavCon Meter but do it periodically. All the same. Yes, let's all remember our roots.

Done!
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Re: Question about Obduction kickstarter backing via Paypal

Postby tommyap » Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:52 am

VISA,Mastercard,Discover,Amex. (as in no other options)
Very funny
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That is a bit harsh.
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