"Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

"Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby iPadCary » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:59 am

The due date for "Obduction" is October 2015, right?
Well, you know what else is coming out on October 2015?
iPad Air 3 ....

Surely that version of the world's best tablet will be more than capable of
handling UnrealEngine 4-driven content.
After all, the iPad 4’s no slouch right now.

Lot's of previously "for consoles only" game engines are heading for iPad,
most notably Electronic Arts's Frostbite3-based "Star Wars: Battleground".
So my question: will there be an iOS version of "Obduction"?
Please say "yes" ....
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby belford » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:46 pm

It's a little early to plan software for a device that probably isn't even on drawing boards yet.
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"Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby iPadCary » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:05 pm


One, that doesn't answer my question.
And two: isn't even on the drawing boards yet?
Are you joking?
It's only 2 years away, and you think the world's biggest company
has zero idea of what thier 2nd best selling product is gonna look like?!?

2 years is the usual leadtime in consumer electronics, anyway.

But, more importantly, my topic hasn't been addressed.
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby Tomala » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:17 pm

Lot's of previously "for consoles only" game engines are heading for iPad,
most notably Electronic Arts's Frostbite3-based "Star Wars: Battleground".
So my question: will there be an iOS version of "Obduction"?


The kickstarter said it would be for Windows and Mac. Wouldn't iOS fall under that category?
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby dgelessus » Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:54 am

Tomala wrote:
Lot's of previously "for consoles only" game engines are heading for iPad,
most notably Electronic Arts's Frostbite3-based "Star Wars: Battleground".
So my question: will there be an iOS version of "Obduction"?


The kickstarter said it would be for Windows and Mac. Wouldn't iOS fall under that category?

Uh, TECHNICALLY, iOS under the hood is more or less Mac OS X. Technically. However, depending on whether or not the engine supports it, it may be impossible to port it. We also have no idea how the controls are going to be like on desktops. They probably won't be too complicated, but if they were, it would be quite hard to simplify these for a touch-only device.

iPadCary wrote:
And two: isn't even on the drawing boards yet?
Are you joking?
It's only 2 years away, and you think the world's biggest company
has zero idea of what thier 2nd best selling product is gonna look like?!?

2 years is the usual leadtime in consumer electronics, anyway.

Are you trying to tell us that you know for sure that Apple will release an "iPad Air 3" in 2015? It is very unlikey that you work at Apple and somehow heard of it...
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby WeldFord » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:15 am

iPadCary is making a joke, no ?
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby Tomala » Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:23 am

Are you trying to tell us that you know for sure that Apple will release an "iPad Air 3" in 2015? It is very unlikey that you work at Apple and somehow heard of it...


Unless this person has been hired to go around from forum to forum finding any reason to pimp the next gen iPad, or is an advanced bot programed to do the same (which I've been seeing ALOT of lately). I find it strange that someone joins with the word iPad in their name and makes their first post asking if it's specifically going to be on apples next gen tablet, and doesn't participate in any of the discussion regarding the kickstarter. This person isn't your usual "apple fanboy", this appears to be a bot/person with an agenda. At least that's how it comes off. I also find it interesting that he posts in normal text in the first post and changes to blue in the second.

Suspicious.
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby dgelessus » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:14 am

Tomala wrote:
Are you trying to tell us that you know for sure that Apple will release an "iPad Air 3" in 2015? It is very unlikey that you work at Apple and somehow heard of it...


Unless this person has been hired to go around from forum to forum finding any reason to pimp the next gen iPad, or is an advanced bot programed to do the same (which I've been seeing ALOT of lately). I find it strange that someone joins with the word iPad in their name and makes their first post asking if it's specifically going to be on apples next gen tablet, and doesn't participate in any of the discussion regarding the kickstarter. This person isn't your usual "apple fanboy", this appears to be a bot/person with an agenda. At least that's how it comes off. I also find it interesting that he posts in normal text in the first post and changes to blue in the second.

Suspicious.

Suspicious indeed, although Apple fanboy would've been my first guess. Writing a bot that somehow figures out what upcoming video games are talked about on a forum sounds pretty hard to me. Unless someone told the bot that the game in question is "Obduction". Or they are getting paid for this and maybe "make $500 a day" or so.

iPadCary, if you are indeed a normal person, my apologies, you act somewhat quite unnaturally. And your name is really suspicious in this context.
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"Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby iPadCary » Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:39 am

Tomala wrote:The kickstarter said it would be for Windows and Mac.
Wouldn't iOS fall under that category?


No, of course not.
While related, iOS & Mac, i.e., OSX, have about as much to do with each other
as WindozeRT PCs, i.e., Windoze8 do.

Don't focus on the software so much.
I'm talking hardware: iPad Air 3 & iPad Pro 2.



dgelessus wrote:
Are you trying to tell us that you know for sure that Apple will release an "iPad Air 3" in 2015?
It is very unlikey that you work at Apple and somehow heard of it...


Yeah, because, you know, saying that iPad Air 3 will be released in October 2015
is such an off-the-wall claim ....



WeldFord wrote:iPadCary is making a joke, no ?


Please explain the point behind this utterly idiotic statement.



Tomala wrote:Unless this person has been hired to go around from forum to forum
finding any reason to pimp the next gen iPad,
or is an advanced bot programed to do the same (which I've been seeing ALOT of lately).
I find it strange that someone joins with the word iPad in their name
and makes their first post asking if it's specifically going to be on apples next gen tablet ....
This person isn't your usual "apple fanboy",
this appears to be a bot/person with an agenda.
I also find it interesting that he posts in normal text in the first post
and changes to blue in the second.
Suspicious.


... and ladies & gentlemen, if you look over here, you'll see an
absolutely exceptional example of the specie Thinktoomuchus Paranoidica.
Don't get too close!

And anyway, I was adressing Rand.
He does come here, doesn't he?
I couldn't make his AMA yesterday, so I'm writing is this forum instead.
If that's OK with all of you, of course ....
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby belford » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:15 am

Mmf. Look. I do not work for Cyan but I do develop iOS apps.

Apple does not release specs for upcoming iOS devices. Until yesterday, nobody outside Apple knew what the CPU or GPU would look like for the iPad Air -- or even that it would be *called* the iPad Air. We could make guesses (probably the same CPU as last month's iPhone?) but that's all.

This being the case, all developers can do is develop for the *current* iPad.

Does the Unreal Engine 4 support the current iPad? I have no clue. If so, can it support the graphics quality that Cyan wants for this game? I have no clue. Does it matter? No, because long before Obduction ships, *next* year's iPad will be out. That's the time when it will *first* make sense to take stock and think about whether an iPad port is a good idea.

(But even then, it will depend more on the state of the Unreal engine and where *its* iPad support is.)

And of course at that point -- late 2014 -- they will also be looking at Linux support, SteamBox support, Ouya support for all we know. The gaming landscape keeps changing. There will be a time for those decisions and it ain't today. To do so now, when the game is still a pile of concept sketches and a story outline, would be dumb. Cyan has enough obligations on its plate with Mac/Win support and a 2015 deadline.
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby WeldFord » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:21 am

iPadCary wrote:
WeldFord wrote:iPadCary is making a joke, no ?


Please explain the point behind this utterly idiotic statement.


I just find the way you are asking this... Weird, really weird.

You could ask "Is Obduction coming to iOS ?" It would be fine.
But mentioning "iPad Air 3" is really strange, sure there is a new iPad coming in 2015, no doubts, but I hardly believe it will be called iPad Air 3 (and now you talk about iPad Pro ? What's that ?)

And when you said "that version of the world's best tablet", I thought you were ironic, even if I agree with this statement.

And I also agree that it would be really cool to see Obduction on an iPad and maybe it's already planned as a stretch goal.
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby dgelessus » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:58 am

Should I REALLY reply to this wall of text?

[Reveal] Spoiler: iPadCary wrote:
Tomala wrote:The kickstarter said it would be for Windows and Mac.
Wouldn't iOS fall under that category?

No, of course not.
While related, iOS & Mac, i.e., OSX, have about as much to do with each other
as WindozeRT PCs, i.e., Windoze8 do.

Don't focus on the software so much.
I'm talking hardware: iPad Air 3 & iPad Pro 2.

Okay, I just checked. UE4 currently does not support iOS, and without that it would be pretty hard to port Obduction in a reasonable amount of time. Software does matter. Or go make OSX or Windows iPad-compatible, if that's easier.

[Reveal] Spoiler: iPadCary wrote:
dgelessus wrote:
Are you trying to tell us that you know for sure that Apple will release an "iPad Air 3" in 2015?
It is very unlikey that you work at Apple and somehow heard of it...

Yeah, because, you know, saying that iPad Air 3 will be released in October 2015
is such an off-the-wall claim ....

It is possible, although something entirely different may be the next hot thing in 2015. I'm not going to speculate on what it will be.

[Reveal] Spoiler: iPadCary wrote:
WeldFord wrote:iPadCary is making a joke, no ?

Please explain the point behind this utterly idiotic statement.

It was a question, asked because you are acting in a... not normal way.

[Reveal] Spoiler: iPadCary wrote:
And anyway, I was adressing Rand.
He does come here, doesn't he?
I couldn't make his AMA yesterday, so I'm writing is this forum instead.
If that's OK with all of you, of course ....

If you want to address Rand specifically, ask him on Reddit (he will answer more questions at some other point) or write an e-mail to Cyan. This is a community forum. If you ask something here, you have to expect the community replying. Oh, and AFAIK Rand doesn't come here. At least he doesn't post here.
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby Scraper » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:00 am

Funny. In the AMA you said it was iPad 7......
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"Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby iPadCary » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:03 am

@belford
As an iOS developer, you should know more than most how fast mobile GPUs are moving.

This PS4 gen of consoles is expected to last A DECADE.
That's a geological age in the tech business.
As I said, as it stands right now, mobile GPUs are close to being, if not outright being,
on par with the PS3 gen.
Where do you think they'll be in late-2015?

The UnrealEngine4 will absolutely be doable on both iPad Air 3 & iPad Pro 2.
That means "Obduction" will be doable on both those tabs.

Given the the popularity of both the hardware & software, plus adding in that
Cyan's other masterworks -- MYST, Riven & realMYST -- are already in the App Store,
how in the name of all that is Holy will "Obduction" not be?

Nevermind the nonsense about "not being able to predict the future" --
how about some commonsense extrapolation?

Any more asinine comments on this topic will be ignored by me.
Thank you.
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Re: "Obduction" On iPad Air 3?

Postby Ahlisendar » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:08 am

iPadCary wrote:Any more asinine comments on this topic will be ignored by me.
Thank you.


Ignoring one's own posts seems like quite the feat. Good luck, though.
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