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Re: Relto

Postby KathAveara » Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:30 pm

Hm... I think it's time for frequency analysis.

Edit: Got nothing out of that long string. Maybe it isn't written in English, hence the numbers?
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Re: Relto

Postby Acorn1 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:12 am

Wow, I had a PM too, with a different string:

iopqwerfhmisadkmzwehmoiuzcwbnyzcqvinnitqwzuozqwipasdfplizqwilukhzvcerbuyzernbcsduyzceryhuorzxckouierikcheryjhofiserhniuyfciofsegnuyxvuioxgthuygiscrtbuisdhnguxvesgvuyxreuixreguyxfsdiucgsdhnxuyjiogtyioknvtfyiovcdryiuocks13rtikxegsrjiouxerjheryasgibaetyzxreiuxrekoxerw5lpweikhxergjzergybunxenuyzervgterfbytqwetyerqujhysejuiserhjgdrthiuyserfysergyuvsxenhuyvgxenxruiezeguynxtfuyrzfuyvuisextvnuvisezmuigvxuynegnxviermhfsuyfgcduyhxfrixrfmijfwxeriumxgerixmhnoxse5rmhioxufreghxuyfergnuyvxernuxveazgnuyxaeriuxserhsdfhuixgreuyxerwxtuerngxerbguzeqnkzunizqgnazhniaxuygqhqzixerxegwriokwetgrlwerhuioxgerjhgktgxxtkiotxuliotrxhkyuitxeyjhiuxernuyhxfrgnuyxfgrenguyxfernguyfxernguyfxe5uierohxerhmuxfirehnuzrfehuizfmuizferjiufwrhuiferhytrnewhmiuxewnuizqiozqolawlpwlowpqehkqaguyaqg20nuagnauyqgnuyargnaytqgnuyserqiuserkisgeiklpwvxerhuixvhnxvohekzvhkuirxehuyvzngiuyfengauqwuynerqagnuyzgnuzefhmuyferuy13rfuyxfgnrtxfnq3ruimhiozruemiouxeruierkhizfueghuyergnuyfwegnuyzergnuyzerhmuzremhzrmhgyufgtyfrbvgtyfvrxruyngctuigvctnuyercgerwhuixeruisdhfiufsdkasdujssujsuisjejffgeujsdsjseuiswqqwooqpopiqwiouqakiawhixfnhrxeuhnfirueo
Relto



Like Ainia's, it's a long string of (mainly) letters, with a few digits, with no spaces nor apparent punctuation.
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Re: Relto

Postby dgelessus » Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:22 am

Well, it's only letters, which is interesting. rot13? maybe "adding" the two strings?
Also, no message for me :(

PS:
So, Acorn's string md5s to "f076895ef074800c86febed826871194", which is a hex number. And Ainia's string md5s to "39cf789bddacd59965646c6e1e0ab656", which is also a hex number. Huh.
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sha1 of Acorn's: "32735894dce2b052d7fe60211f56a12138eec6c7"
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I have the impression that this may be something like "only read every n-th character".
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Re: Relto

Postby Mac_Fife » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:35 am

Well, the absence of upper case characters suggests that neither string is base-64 encoded (and converting from that just gives apparent gibberish anyway). There are a few small clusters of characters that are common to both strings - that could just be a coincidence or a clue to how the strings have been constructed. That fact that both strings are different lengths implies two completely different "messages" rather than the same message encoded differently - I had wondered if you somehow needed to combine the strings (e.g. ex-oring the bytes from one with the other) to get something legible, but that looks unlikely.
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Re: Relto

Postby Ainia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:44 am

Shorah again,

Mac, there are two upper case characters in my string, "ZH", right next to each other about two-thirds into it.

I'm wondering if the latest verbal clue might be connected to these character strings?

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Re: Relto

Postby dgelessus » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:13 am

Ainia wrote:Shorah again,

Mac, there are two upper case characters in my string, "ZH", right next to each other about two-thirds into it.


Ainia, I see no uppercase characters... although I did find a few "zh"s.
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Re: Relto

Postby Teknobubba » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:58 am

Lots of w's. Could be "space" or "e?" That was my first impression, at least.
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Re: Relto

Postby Ainia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:05 am

Shorah dgelessus,

Thanks for catching that! My best guess is that my original copy/paste from the mysterious PM truncated things at a punctuation mark, but that my offline version of the PM was complete (which I was referencing when replying to Mac earlier). I've updated the older post to have the complete snip; but for good measure, here it is again:

jmiweroperaymxalxzwqzpoeqwuzfrawwzofjierhgtpewrjoixemsuioazklsdchjnuicxwuytgqnxxv9mzxoiweiowqiuoryngxfbhjvfeyuwagjasdmlhkhcxhuxrhlkxbyxmxermxerhfuidsa23tyuwqpqwioewqurejhkxmsjkzsghjzsjcxkewioweiouqwyuqwrtiuotropirtopruiofrhgbhdsjhawsklsdfnxsnzhxcbncmjjuewemnnrtnvuivyuixczhnkjfednkewalaerfhhfuiperhhkcjncxkhjdshkahfafhnrfieutyhjnrckscmzhn23iubuyvvvvxdmkowslpkozjcunihermxve2ijvrvxwexjmiofxjueirhnxrweyugrbwetiuiweowqpoqhpuwkaklqahewuiofwehuiaweuihewuhfrxfmhdxjkmnjhkxvhfyxaumiezwhuihmfxufgitfhowexwqopwpireutoxrmhfussipsazfakhvxfdlgvxagmxgrerxvhaslzwiorquyier,wrymezhsdjkgvhbryrwtroqwpqwhuedhkashfksmzzbhdfjzkmyuixeriuxufqpzsadkhmfxreiozhfsdjafhiruihefxuhbxbriuxfwruoizqphfruhmqeuipthuerxnmehzpqwZHzcerqiofzxmhrxfgoliqxhfxmemxrew21iorthgtbxmeal;qpwqowqlqwpoizhuirvghmwoierhui2rehiuofhefuisssserydegnfdrigfsrybxreneirhuxermuiwxfhermpoexopixrwehmrfrweuiopxfierhuvxhfi15oxfdkoiyhtuihnfvrmxfcioerewpwooeksddlsdljsklkdxxjmzxmzcnvjkvdhvcmxzmhihzmirzgfymxzhmyzfgrehuyzrhuizrmxzzwmnzfryguyzfnfxryufrhauioqwlwqoagshasdfjkgyu

Now I'll need to ensure I was using the complete snip when playing with those online decoding utilities... and do a character count to see if Acorn and I got the same number of characters after all... which would be suggestive if true! :)

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Re: Relto

Postby Acorn1 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:20 am

They don't seem to be the same number of characters. 1015 for ainia's, 1091 for mine. I double checked that I didn't leave any characters behind. ;)
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Re: Relto

Postby Acorn1 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:25 am

oh, and just to be thorough, the message was entitled " Re: Relto" so no clues there.
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Re: Relto

Postby Ainia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:30 am

Shorah everyone,

Thanks for checking the character count Acorn! In rechecking the decoders I tried, it appears that the Hex results are identical, but the md5 hash is now different:

ffaa808fb689def01c49e85d2707d8fb

Guess I'd copied/pasted the old truncated version when doing this one... :oops: (Dang, I *hate* when that happens... :lol: )

And my message was titled the same as Acorn's, which means that Relto used the PM button in one of our posts here when contacting each of us.

I sent Relto a short PM reply, which he *still* hasn't read, so perhaps he doesn't get over here very often...
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Re: Relto

Postby Mac_Fife » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:18 am

Ainia wrote:Mac, there are two upper case characters in my string, "ZH", right next to each other about two-thirds into it.
OK, but what I was meaning was that a base-64 encoded string tends to have a LOT of uppercase.

It seems odd to send different messages to each person, since that would imply giving each a different clue (assuming it is a clue and Relto hasn't simply encoded a message saying "Hi Ainia/Acorn, I just wanted to say how much I've enjoyed reading your posts" ;) . But I'm still wondering if there's something connecting the two PMs that means they need to be used in conjunction with each other (somehow). It might even be that someone else has a PM that they haven't read yet !

With the strings given, my initial gut feeling is that pairs (or maybe triplets) of characters decode back to a single character, but I've no particular reason to believe that other than that some sequences seem to recur.
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Re: Relto

Postby Acorn1 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:43 am

I sent a reply too, Ainia, and it's not been read either. Could be a time zone issue.... ;)

I reckon the clues are in pairs, Mac, given we've been seeing linked, but different, pics and messages on this forum and on twitter.
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Re: Relto

Postby Ainia » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:48 pm

Shorah everyone,

It's been a long day but I wanted to post some interesting data about Acorn's code string:

[Reveal] Spoiler: Frequency analysis
1091 chars
a : 20 ... 1.8 %
b : 9 ... 0.8 %
c : 16 ... 1.5 %
d : 14 ... 1.3 %
e : 100 ... 9.2 %
f : 47 ... 4.3 %
g : 62 ... 5.7 %
h : 55 ... 5.0 %
i : 81 ... 7.4 %
j : 18 ... 1.6 %
k : 22 ... 2.0 %
l : 9 ... 0.8 %
m : 18 ... 1.6 %
n : 54 ... 4.9 %
o : 32 ... 2.9 %
p : 9 ... 0.8 %
q : 27 ... 2.5 %
r : 90 ... 8.2 %
s : 38 ... 3.5 %
t : 27 ... 2.5 %
u : 111 ... 10.2 %
v : 25 ... 2.3 %
w : 28 ... 2.6 %
x : 67 ... 6.1 %
y : 65 ... 6.0 %
z : 37 ... 3.4 %

Letter frequencies
u : 111
e : 100
r : 90
i : 81
x : 67
y : 65
g : 62
h : 55
n : 54
f : 47
s : 38
z : 37
o : 32
w : 28
t : 27
q : 27
v : 25
k : 22
a : 20
m : 18
j : 18
c : 16
d : 14
b : 9
p : 9
l : 9

2 letter sequences
er => 51
uy => 44
ui => 25
xe => 24
nu => 19
gn => 16
io => 16
iu => 14
se => 13
hu => 11
is => 11
sd => 10
yf => 10
xf => 9
ux => 9
re => 9
eg => 9
rh => 9
yx => 8
rg => 8
qw => 8
hn => 8
ze => 8
ix => 8
yz => 8
ng => 8
ru => 8
gu => 8
rn => 7
xr => 7
we => 7
fe => 7
xv => 6
iz => 6
nx => 6
xu => 6
mh => 6
hi => 6
rf => 6
ri => 6
hm => 6
mu => 5
ty => 5
fg => 5
eu => 5
en => 5
hx => 5
ox => 5
ie => 5
eh => 5
uz => 5
rx => 5
ge => 5
jh => 5
zq => 5
gt => 5
zr => 4
zf => 4
qg => 4
uf => 4
js => 4
ue => 4
fu => 4
fr => 4
xg => 4
ik => 4
fi => 4
ou => 4
ry => 4
mi => 4
ni => 4
fs => 4
rt => 4
yv => 4
yn => 4
ys => 4
uj => 4
rj => 4
xt => 4

3 letter sequences
xer => 14
nuy => 13
gnu => 11
uyx => 8
erh => 8
uyf => 8
ser => 7
uyz => 6
ern => 6
erg => 6
guy => 6
hui => 6
uis => 6
zer => 5
rgn => 5
fer => 5
iux => 4
rui => 4
yse => 4
uyn => 4
uyv => 4
uxe => 4
ngu => 4
eri => 4
ier => 4
uie => 4
yze => 4
ise => 4
huy => 4
yxf => 4
uix => 4
xre => 4
xuy => 4

4 letter sequences
gnuy => 10
rgnu => 4
nuyz => 4
uyxf => 4
uyze => 4
yzer => 4

5 letter sequences
rgnuy => 4
uyzer => 4

A similar analysis of my code string is much less interesting:

[Reveal] Spoiler: Frequency analysis
1015 chars
a : 27 ... 2.7 %
b : 12 ... 1.2 %
c : 16 ... 1.6 %
d : 24 ... 2.4 %
e : 66 ... 6.5 %
f : 54 ... 5.3 %
g : 22 ... 2.2 %
h : 80 ... 7.9 %
i : 67 ... 6.6 %
j : 30 ... 3.0 %
k : 31 ... 3.1 %
l : 17 ... 1.7 %
m : 44 ... 4.3 %
n : 25 ... 2.5 %
o : 45 ... 4.4 %
p : 24 ... 2.4 %
q : 28 ... 2.8 %
r : 70 ... 6.9 %
s : 33 ... 3.3 %
t : 16 ... 1.6 %
u : 62 ... 6.1 %
v : 22 ... 2.2 %
w : 55 ... 5.4 %
x : 66 ... 6.5 %
y : 26 ... 2.6 %
z : 40 ... 3.9 %

Letter frequencies
h : 80
r : 70
i : 67
e : 66
x : 66
u : 62
w : 55
f : 54
o : 45
m : 44
z : 40
s : 33
k : 31
j : 30
q : 28
a : 27
y : 26
n : 25
d : 24
p : 24
v : 22
g : 22
l : 17
t : 16
c : 16
b : 12

2 letter sequences
ui => 23
er => 19
io => 15
we => 13
rh => 11
hu => 11
hf => 11
mx => 10
ew => 9
qw => 9
xf => 9
wq => 9
re => 9
sd => 8
zh => 8
xr => 8
yu => 8
rm => 7
ir => 7
iu => 7
ry => 7
fr => 7
hk => 6
fh => 6
xm => 6
ow => 6
of => 6
ih => 6
hm => 6
op => 6
fx => 6
he => 6
ie => 6
oi => 6
oe => 5
qp => 5
hn => 5
jk => 5
eu => 5
vx => 5
zf => 5
mz => 5
uy => 5
hj => 5
eh => 5
ei => 5
xe => 5
wp => 4
me => 4
ue => 4
xj => 4
rx => 4
iw => 4
mh => 4
rw => 4
po => 4
uo => 4
mi => 4
as => 4
xv => 4
cx => 4
wr => 4
kl => 4
kh => 4
wu => 4
xz => 4
rt => 4
ru => 4
fu => 4
zw => 4
ux => 4
ix => 4
ha => 4

3 letter sequences
hui => 5
uio => 5
erh => 5
uih => 4
rhu => 4
iof => 4
erm => 4
xer => 4
ier => 4
rmx => 4

4 letter sequences
none

5 letter sequences
none
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Re: Relto

Postby Acorn1 » Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:41 am

Acorn1 wrote:I sent a reply too, Ainia, and it's not been read either. Could be a time zone issue.... ;)



My reply was read at some point overnight (UK time zone...)
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